20:26:55 From Swadipa to Everyone: Hello Kamalashila and all. Is it ok if I join - I have missed al th 20:27:16 From Swadipa to Everyone: All the previous meeting 20:30:46 From Dh Aranyaka to Kamalashila Matthews(Direct Message): Remember to Record! :-) 20:32:27 From Dh Aranyaka to Kamalashila Matthews(Direct Message): Record? 20:33:19 From Kamalashila Matthews to Dh Aranyaka(Direct Message): Every time! 20:33:34 From Dh Aranyaka to Kamalashila Matthews(Direct Message): :-) 20:49:19 From Aparimana Hone to Everyone: You can see Padmayogini's presentation here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JHkpAUbonnCggXPritTtWZHkeLbfjzLXzZK4NYHz67k/edit?usp=sharing 20:50:16 From Sasanajyoti Fraser to Kamalashila Matthews(Direct Message): Please not a group for me ... 21:25:31 From Santva to Everyone: 'If you really see yourself reacting, you cease to react'. I've also heard 'insight isn't uncommon, transformation takes longer'. Can one have insight and still behave in a reactive (unskilful?) way. Bodhiketu, I think you once wrote about this? 21:28:18 From Sasanajyoti Fraser to Everyone: Please would the team members like to share their 'hot tips' for noticing levels of Literalism, in everyday and formal practice settings, and 'getting past' them. I suffer from Literalism. 21:33:44 From Vijaya Dh to Everyone: Not sure whether you’re talking about suffering from other peoples’ literalism or your own (?) 21:35:18 From Sasanajyoti Fraser to Everyone: .... reacting and thinking over-literally! 21:42:07 From Samacitta to Everyone: Padmayogini says you can't necessarily tell what insights someone may have experience (although their ethics can be revealing). Could it also be that it's difficult to tell if one 'has insight' oneself? e.g. is it possible that we do see things as they are, but we just don't think it's anything special, i.e. we don't call it insight because it's just how things are? Given that Buddha Nature is 'always there'? 21:46:56 From Sasanajyoti Fraser to Everyone: .... presumably we'd see a change, and lessening, of our 'self views'? 21:51:03 From Amita to Everyone: Open discussion of recognition of insight seems important , to move away from the “making claims” attitudes, which is a huge impediment. 21:52:57 From Shraddhadharma (she/her) - Hawaii to Everyone: Thank you, Amita - my experience exactly! 21:57:35 From Amita to Everyone: There is a Mitra module on Wisdom 21:59:49 From Vanaraji to Everyone: Thank you all so much! 21:59:54 From Shraddhadharma (she/her) - Hawaii to Everyone: Thank you!! 21:59:59 From Nāgeśvara Vos to Everyone: thanks 22:00:14 From Amitaratna to Everyone: Thank you 22:00:18 From Dhirananda Nolkrantz to Everyone: Thank you all! 22:00:19 From Karunajoti Grace to Everyone: Thanks from NZ 22:00:21 From Mahasraddha to Everyone: Thanks you so much!